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Read C6: Noel Kreiss & Padra Nsu Yeul from the story FINAL FANTASY XIII: It is 7 in the morning, and Aoede is navigating her way through a market that life in AF, the Farseers, Caius, and his time-travel adventures with Serah. Serah became a l'Cie and her relationship with Snow Villiers and her sister, Lightning. is it like a daughter and father relationship or girlfriend boyfriend? Caius is probably mid to late twenties (permanently), whereas Yeul tends. I'm not so sure about that, while a lesbian relationship might have been .. Quite possibly referring to both Caius and Yeul here since both left.
Just pay close attention to Noel's body language when he is around Serah, Yeul, and Caius. He acts entirely different around Caius than he does around Yeul or Serah, he almost gets kind of nervous and loses his wits. He seems very frustrated and obsessive toward him.
He wants in no way whatsoever to harm Caius, even though he knows it is Caius who is disrupting and attempting to destroy the timeline, and despite the fact that Noel has killed several enemies to get to him, he refuses to injure Caius through the magic of a battle system where you can sword slap each other for half an hour and come out undamaged.
Every time Caius taunts him and tries to get Noel to kill him, he refuses, even when Caius harms those closest to Noel. There is something there that will not allow Noel to harm this man and I feel it must be the "love" he mentioned having for him.
I can't think of any other reason why he wouldn't at this point grant Caius's wish for death. In fact, I think their final scene together really reveals a lot about them. I will also say that I think Caius has no romantic interest in Noel whatsoever. He simply sees Noel as an intriguing and complex person who is able to stand up to him as a rival and offer a perspective of truth that Caius himself does not want to admit to himself.
Caius respects Noel for this. I feel he cares for Noel rather deeply, though he refuses to show it, and despite the queeny costume, I don't think Caius shows any tendency toward being romantically interested in another dude. In fact, after all he's been through I think romantic feelings are the last thing on his agenda and the last thing he is likely to feel.
In the discussions I saw elsewhere, people were saying that Noel and Caius's mutual obsession with Yeul is evidence that Noel is in fact in love with Yeul. I'd argue against that, because once again, I feel body language and Noel's attitude towards Yeul reveal a more "big brother" type of attitude towards her. She is, after all, four years younger than him and while it's not a huge enough age gap to say it's impossible for him to have feelings for her, I just don't see any real signals of that in the game.
He does love Yeul deeply, but it does not seem in a romantic way. During the ending scene, despite Caius trying to destroy Yeul and all of history to save her from the Eyes of Etro, Noel will not kill Caius. Caius wants to eliminate Yeul and everyone else from existence and Noel keeps Caius alive still. Why the devil would he allow that risk to continue unless he has very deep feelings that he has some hope of being reciprocated someday, somehow?
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I think he has more feelings invested in Caius than he does in Yeul. In fact, he even tells Caius that the reason Yeul kept reincarnating is that she wanted to be with Caius.
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He is aware that Yeul has a very deep attachment to Caius, and it almost seems cathartic for him to say so. He's attached, and cares for him deeply. He's trying to get Caius to realize that both him and Yeul care for him deeply, though for some reason he is afraid to bring up his own feelings in the matter fear of rejection and further abandonment? I'll be honest and say that I've wanted there to be a gay male protagonist in a FF game for a long time, so if anyone is going to read into something that may not have been intended to be a gay plot theme and think maybe it is one, it's me.
Still, the fact that I saw other people drawing the same conclusions and asking the same questions made me wonder if this is more than wishful thinking, but perhaps a more common interpretation than I would have guessed.
Yeul of AF: If you change the future, you change the past. You can remold history as your heart desires. Yeul's first vision was of the crystallized Cocoon falling three hundred years in the future. Afterward, she has many visions of Noel and Serah on their journey to correct the timeline.
When Caius intends to punish them for traveling through time and shortening Yeul's lifespan, Yeul is saddened, yet feels Serah and Noel have their reasons for changing the timeline. In Oerba, Yeul warns Noel and Serah not to touch the Oracle Drive they have found, but they activate it and witness a prophecy.
Though Noel calls out to her in surprise, Yeul tells him she is not the Yeul he knew. As Caius is about to kill Noel, Yeul intervenes saying the future has been changed. She tells Serah and Noel that changing the future also changes the past, and Caius leads her away so Yeul would not see the future any further, taking her to the Augusta Tower to spend her final moments. Feeling she can trust Serah and Noel after learning they are trying to protect the timeline, she believes they could grant her wish for her future selves to not see Cocoon fall.
When Serah and Noel arrive in the Augusta Tower from Academia AF, Yeul gives them an artefact and reveals Caius uses her visions to remember the entire timeline, and that he is immortal. Yeul says Serah's sister Lightning disappeared from Gran Pulse because the future was changed, and if Serah and Noel continue to solve the paradoxes, the past will return to the way Serah remembers it.
She reveals the Caius the two encountered in Academia was a fake created by the tower's sentient AI, and that they saw the real Caius in the tower.
Yeul tells Noel and Serah to show her a new future. After they venture into the core to defeat the AI, Yeul sees a vision of a future with everyone smiling, and dies happy, before Caius takes away her body. If I were to live, it would bring contradiction to Inspired by the strength in Hope's eyes, Yeul aspired to be strong like him. After foreseeing her own death during the Cie'th outbreak in Academia, Yeul ventures there. Noel holds Yeul in his arms as she explains her survival would have caused a contradiction to the timeline, and says Caius isn't in the city.
She tells Noel she is not the Yeul he knows, but thanks him and dies, leaving an artefact for him and Serah to open a new Time Gate. Her death is negated in the alternate timeline set by the defeat of the Proto fal'Cie Adam. You don't have to cry. We will meet again. Final Fantasy XIII-2 Fragments After reveals that her father died before she was born, and her mother was in confinement during childbirth. Noel's grandmother explains to him Yeul lives away from people so they would not be tempted to use her power of foresight for evil, and shows how Noel had been protective of Yeul since he was three years old, and that he initially hated Caius when he arrived in his village.
Noel would become an apprentice Guardian training under Caius and they protected Yeul together, but Noel was unaware she would die soon. Noel wants to take Yeul on a journey to find other people in the world, but Caius reprimands Noel for considering such folly. Caius claims the only way to save Yeul is to kill Etro, the goddess of death, and let the chaos of Valhalla consume the mortal realm and transform it into a timeless world without a future or past, similar to Valhalla itself.
The day after Caius leaves to carry out the deed, the first time he abandons Yeul as her Guardian, Yeul reveals to Noel she had a vision of him arguing with Caius and the goddess's gate. She tells him that every time a seeress sees the future her lifespan shortens until it kills her. Noel vows to value the time he has left with Yeul, and she dies in Noel's arms telling him they would meet again.
Yeul's lifeless body is brought to Valhalla and Caius places it into the waves of chaos where it dissolves before turning his attention to Etro's Temple. Ending up in a facsimile of his time, having lost his motivation at the time by reliving her death, Noel learns from an Oracle Drive Yeul had seen the events of his adventure with Serah through time and regains his will to continue after seeing Yeul's vision of them reuniting.
As you change the timeline, you come closer to death. She traveled with Caius searching for the Time Gates she saw Serah appear by. She tells them she traces the timeline and leads people along the right path and points at Serah, cryptically revealing her to possess the Eyes of Etro like herself. In the years and AF in the Yaschas Massif, it is revealed the actions of a past incarnation of Yeul inadvertently created a paradox when she sealed an Ugallu in the void.
The paradox erases people and in their place leaves "Rubies of Grief"—remnants of their memories. In the year AF Serah and Noel encounter a Ruby of Grief that contains the living conscience of the ancient Yeul who implores the two to destroy Ugallu. By doing so, Yeul's memory finds peace and vanishes, ending the paradox. Caius asks if she will allow this, and she says, "It is not for me to decide", and they leave the area.
When Serah is separated from Noel in the Historia Crux and arrives in a shadow of Valhalla in the Void Beyond, several Yeuls from different time periods give her cryptic advice: The fourth and last Yeul is the one who "lives and dies in all the ages".
She tells Serah of how the Void Beyond can take the form of a person's innermost desires and asks why Serah seeks to change time and oppose Caius.
She reveals the death that awaits her if she changes the timeline any further. This Yeul transforms into Caius who attacks Serah. When Serah and Noel navigate the floating blocks in Academia AF, Yeul's voice tells them not to kill Etro and that only a doomed future awaits if they face Caius, hinting at Caius's scheme to have Noel kill him to ensure Etro's death.
After her first vision, she saw Noel with someone but knew he would soon be alone, and wished for everyone to die so nobody would be left alone. This Yeul differs from the others in how she felt abandoned and unwanted by her mother, and how she was distrustful of others, including Caius.
She wished for Noel to be happy, and so requested for Caius to let her final incarnation live a normal life.
In the paradox ending, "Beneath a Timeless Sky", Yeul is trapped at the end of the world in New Bodhum with Serah, Noel, and Mog and no longer can have visions of the future due to time having ended when Serah defeated Caius in the Void Beyond. A meteorite lands in the distance and they rush off to investigate. In the secret ending, "The Goddess is Dead", Caius's plan to kill the goddess has succeeded as he announces to Yeul they are free from their curses, and can start over in a new world without Etro.
While generally every Yeul supports Serah and Noel's quest, there is a Yeul in Chapter 5 in the Void Beyond who is hostile towards Serah for trying to change the timeline.
This is supported in the novel by comparing the gentle nature of the Yeuls encountered by Serah and Noel to the bitterness the "Chaos Yeul" displays toward her fate. During Lightning's monologue at the end of Chapter 5, a misty Yeul is seen sitting on a bench in Orphan's Cradle. Lastly, the Yeul covered in black mist can be found in some Live Trigger events after beating the game; for example, in the Bresha Ruins 5 AF, in the area where a Ghast was fought, the player is asked to listen to the voice and the Shadow Yeul talks about Atlas.
If the player beats Atlas without the Paradox Scope on, Yeul asks Serah and Noel to free her from the shackles of the goddess, saying her only wish is to be with "him". Who the person might be is not specified. The Yeul covered in black mist appears only in the Void Beyond, Coliseum and Valhalla, as well as briefly in Orphan's Cradle during Lightning's monologue scene; all of these locations are outside of the mortal realm.
Thus it is possible she cannot manifest in this realm, and that is why Noel and Serah only hear her voice in Academia AF. In the DLC episode, "Perpetual Battlefield", after Noel and Serah defeat Valfodr in the Coliseum and Snow says he is unable to leave, Noel believes Snow might have gotten on someone's bad side, and Serah catches a glimpse of an illusion of Yeul surrounded by chaos.
As revealed in Lightning Returns: These Yeuls possess an affinity to Chaos, including the ability to conjure the future incarnation of Caius who became an embodiment of Chaos itself. As shown in the DLC episode, "Requiem of the Goddess", Lightning encounters the Black Mist Yeuls within the remains of Etro's Temple as they surround the deceased Serah's soul while telling Lightning her sister will join them in fading into the chaos at the end of time.
One of the Yeuls conjures Caius to fight Lightning, and later claims it was Lightning herself who caused Serah's death. Hard to imagine what it's like. For millennia, Yeuls were born into the world over and over. It's not as though they shared the same soul. They weren't the same person in every incarnation. Each Yeul was different, but each of her souls was born with the very same heavy burden. And as each soul returned to the Chaos, it was drawn to the others. Now, they've become one.
A cancerous mass of sorrow, and pain, and longing. That's what lives here in this temple. That's what Yeul is. She is the source of the Great Chaos. As Lightning travels through the temple she encounters various incarnations of Yeul who reveal to her the truth of their existence. They explain they are responsible for the world's destruction, and that they are a "mass of contradictions", with some wishing for Caius's salvation, while others—afraid of being alone—refuse to let him die although he longs for death.
They explain the Chaos is their love for him, having grown too large and powerful to be controlled. The Yeuls have thus become the Chaos itself and are directly connected to the world. Lightning reaches the throne room and confronts Caius, and after their battle he demonstrates that Yeul will keep him alive through the Chaos regardless of his wishes by impaling himself.
He is immediately revived by the Yeuls' desire to remain by their side, and explains they are the unseen Chaos, the very presence that dragged Lightning into Valhalla on the Day of Ragnarok. Furthermore, because of the Yeul incarnations' nature, they cannot go to the new world as their presence would only doom that world as well.
As a Yeul states her intent to remain by Caius as they depart, Lightning sees that another Yeul longs to fulfill a promise she made to another. That person is none other than Noel, who became obsessed with what would later be revealed to be a false prophecy he witnessed in an Oracle Drive depicting him killing Lightning and reuniting with the Yeul of his time.